A minimally edited transcript

Zen is also Buddhism

September 1967 ± ਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Zen Mountain ਍䌀攀渀琀攀爀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Tassajara
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 吀漀渀椀最栀琀 洀礀 琀愀氀欀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 焀甀椀琀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀氀⸀ 夀漀甀 愀爀攀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀ഀഀ Zen. But Zen is also Buddhism. So it is necessary for you to understand ਍䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀 椀渀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀⸀ 䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 洀礀 琀愀氀欀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 栀攀氀瀀 礀漀甀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀᐀椠琀 椀猀ഀഀ necessary for you to have some understanding of the original teaching of ਍䈀甀搀搀栀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最ഀഀ of Buddha, or else, I am afraid, you will miss the point.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Tonight I want to talk about the three-fold body of Buddha. The other day, ਍䈀椀猀栀漀瀀 匀甀洀椀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最猀 漀昀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀ഀഀ Buddha, buddha as the truth, and buddha as a teaching or dharma. This concept ਍漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 猀漀 最爀攀愀琀⸀ 䄀渀搀 栀攀 眀愀猀 猀漀ഀഀ great that Hinayana Buddhism—Buddhists who are direct disciples of Buddha—had an ਍椀搀攀愀 漀昀 愀 猀甀瀀攀爀渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 戀攀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 眀栀漀 栀愀搀 ㌀㈀ 洀愀爀欀猀 漀爀 攀椀最栀琀 栀漀氀礀ഀഀ figures. Those concepts already formed Buddha as an embodiment of the truth—of ਍䈀甀搀搀栀愀 眀栀漀 愀琀琀愀椀渀攀搀 戀甀搀搀栀愀栀漀漀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ 䠀椀渀愀礀愀渀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀琀猀 栀愀搀 渀漀ഀഀ such elaborate aspects of Buddha, but Mahayana Buddhists had three aspects of ਍䈀甀搀搀栀愀⸀ 䄀渀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀猀攀 琀栀爀攀攀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 昀漀爀洀 愀 琀爀椀渀椀琀礀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 愀 瀀爀攀ⴀ䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀琀椀挀ഀഀ religion.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ The three forms are,  Buddha as a historical being who had his own body. The ਍琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 琀漀氀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 琀爀甀琀栀 椀琀猀攀氀昀⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀ഀഀ the idea of truth and the idea of teaching. The idea of teaching and the idea ਍漀昀 琀爀甀琀栀 昀漀爀洀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 䐀栀愀爀洀愀欀愀礀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀⸀ 吀栀攀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 眀栀漀 栀愀搀 愀渀 椀洀愀最攀 漀昀ഀഀ character forms the idea of Sambhogakaya Buddha. So we have Buddha as an ਍攀洀戀漀搀椀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀爀甀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 愀猀 愀 琀爀甀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 眀栀漀 愀琀琀愀椀渀攀搀ഀഀ buddhahood after his long practice. Here we have the three aspects of Buddha.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ And these three aspects of Buddha were necessary for Mahayana Buddhists to ਍戀攀挀漀洀攀 戀甀搀搀栀愀 漀爀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 愀琀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 戀甀搀搀栀愀栀漀漀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 䠀椀渀愀礀愀渀愀ഀഀ Buddhists, it was not possible to attain buddhahood because Buddha was so great ਍琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 戀攀椀渀最 䈀甀搀搀栀愀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍䈀甀琀 䴀愀栀愀礀愀渀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀琀猀 瀀甀琀 攀洀瀀栀愀猀椀猀 漀渀 戀甀搀搀栀愀栀漀漀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀ഀഀ attain. Here Buddha became more religious. The Buddha for a Hinayana Buddhist ਍椀猀 猀漀洀攀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 焀甀椀琀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀 栀甀洀愀渀 戀攀椀渀最⸀ 䈀甀琀ഀഀ Buddha for a Mahayana Buddhist is someone who is like every one of us. So they ਍瀀甀琀 攀洀瀀栀愀猀椀猀 漀渀 戀甀搀搀栀愀ⴀ渀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ ꀀ䐀栀愀爀洀愀欀愀礀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀攀猀 琀栀攀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀ഀഀ nature of every one of us. That is Dharmakaya Buddha. Because we have ਍瀀漀琀攀渀琀椀愀氀椀琀礀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 氀漀渀最 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 椀琀 椀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 甀猀 琀漀 愀琀琀愀椀渀 戀甀搀搀栀愀栀漀漀搀⸀ഀഀ And every one of us is nothing but the embodiment of the Buddha. Here Buddhism becomes ਍洀漀爀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀᐀琠漀漀欀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 愀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀渀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 猀漀洀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䠀椀渀愀礀愀渀愀ഀഀ Buddhism became more and more formal, and their teaching became more and more ਍瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀椀挀愀氀 漀爀 瘀攀爀戀愀氀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 愀 猀琀爀椀挀琀 搀椀猀琀椀渀挀琀椀漀渀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 氀愀礀洀攀渀 愀渀搀ഀഀ priesthood. But in Mahayana Buddhism, there was not much difference between ਍䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀 昀漀爀 氀愀礀洀攀渀 愀渀搀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀 昀漀爀 瀀爀椀攀猀琀猀 漀爀 洀漀渀欀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀攀渀琀椀愀氀椀琀礀 琀漀ഀഀ be buddha for everyone was emphasized.  Whether they are man or woman, whether ਍琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瀀爀椀攀猀琀 漀爀 氀愀礀洀愀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 最攀琀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀✀猀 瀀愀最漀搀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀挀椀琀攀ഀഀ sutras, and practice various formal practices.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Although Buddha's body or ashes were divided in six and enshrined in various places, ਍琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 眀漀爀猀栀椀瀀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀✀猀 愀猀栀攀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀 琀椀洀攀 眀栀攀渀 䴀愀栀愀礀愀渀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀ഀഀ became more and more powerful. But, we started to enshrine Buddha's relics, ਍戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 瀀愀最漀搀愀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 戀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀ 匀漀ഀഀ they  had to have this kind of definition for aspects or understanding of ਍䈀甀搀搀栀愀㨀 戀甀搀搀栀愀 愀猀 琀爀甀琀栀Ⰰ 戀甀搀搀栀愀 愀猀 漀甀爀 琀爀甀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 戀甀搀搀栀愀 愀猀 椀渀 攀瘀攀爀礀 漀渀攀ഀഀ of us, or buddha as a historical Buddha.  They had already a clear distinction ਍戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 戀甀搀搀栀愀 愀猀 漀甀爀 漀眀渀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀⸀ 䄀渀搀 礀攀琀Ⰰ 琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀爀攀攀ഀഀ bodies of Buddha is one. One includes the others.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Although Buddhism became very common, philosophically Buddhism became more and ਍洀漀爀攀 搀攀攀瀀⸀ 䤀渀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀礀Ⰰ 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀 眀愀猀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 愀猀 愀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀渀 愀渀搀 愀猀 愀ഀഀ philosophy too. This is how Buddhism developed, and why we have the three ਍愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍䤀渀 䠀椀渀愀礀愀渀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀椀爀 猀甀琀爀愀猀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 猀漀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀椀挀愀氀᐀琠栀攀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 眀愀猀ഀഀ not so philosophical. But in Mahayana Buddhism we call them three kinds of ਍嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀 猀挀爀椀瀀琀甀爀攀猀㨀 愀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀椀挀愀氀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀氀搀 戀礀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 愀猀 愀ഀഀ teaching and scriptures about precepts observation, and philosophical aspects ਍漀昀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀愀栀愀礀愀渀愀 猀挀栀漀漀氀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 ᰀ琠栀爀攀攀ᴀ†ꀀ渀甀洀戀攀爀猀 椀渀 漀甀爀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最㨀 琀栀爀攀攀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 猀挀爀椀瀀琀甀爀攀猀Ⰰഀഀ three-fold body, or three fields of the teaching. As a Buddhist, we should know ਍琀栀漀猀攀⸀ ꀀ圀攀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀猀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀⸀ 吀栀漀猀攀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀ഀഀ of our teaching were the background of Zen. So it is necessary for us to have ਍琀栀漀猀攀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最猀 漀爀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 娀攀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 漀甀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 愀猀欀⸀ ꀀ圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 洀甀挀栀 搀漀欀甀猀愀渀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀昀 礀漀甀ഀഀ have any questions, you are welcome. Please ask questions.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student A: Is Mahayana Buddhism also known as the second way?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Mahayana Buddhism?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student A: Is it known as the second way?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Second way. Oh, excuse me. What do you mean--the sec- ?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student A: I was reading someplace about the second way as being the way of ਍琀漀琀愀氀 愀氀椀攀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 氀椀昀攀 愀猀 愀 最漀愀氀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 最漀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 氀椀昀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 䴀愀栀愀礀愀渀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀㼀 一漀⸀ 圀攀 猀愀礀 ᰀ䴠愀栀愀礀愀渀愀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀Ⰰᴀ†戀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀ഀഀ teachings in Mahayana Buddhism. And the Kegon school classifies our teaching in ਍琀栀爀攀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 䬀攀最漀渀 猀挀栀漀漀氀 栀愀猀 琀栀爀攀攀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 椀渀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 椀昀ഀഀ the understanding is poor, that is the second way—not perfect understanding. ਍䄀渀搀 椀昀 琀栀攀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 椀猀 最漀漀搀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最⸀ 吀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀ഀഀ understanding cannot be attained by just intellectual understanding. That is ਍琀栀攀 吀攀渀搀愀椀✀猀 挀愀渀漀渀⸀ 夀漀甀 猀攀攀㼀 伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀 眀椀琀栀 娀攀渀 琀漀漀⸀ 䴀愀礀戀攀 䤀 洀甀猀琀ഀഀ explain some other time the understanding from three aspects.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ If you study the various canons of various schools, you will understand why it ਍椀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 琀漀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 稀愀稀攀渀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀⸀ 吀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 猀挀栀漀漀氀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀漀 甀猀 琀漀ഀഀ practice zazen. That is why we practice zazen [laughs]. Do you understand? Our ਍瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 椀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀漀渀猀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 猀挀栀漀漀氀猀⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 娀攀渀 椀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 愀氀氀 漀昀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀Ⰰഀഀ all the teachings of many schools. Zen is the result of the efforts of many ਍猀挀栀漀氀愀爀猀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 猀挀栀漀漀氀猀⸀ 䐀漀 礀漀甀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀㼀 娀攀渀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀⸀ 䤀渀ഀഀ other words, Zen is not one of thirteen schools. Zen includes the thirteen ਍猀挀栀漀漀氀猀 漀昀 䈀甀搀搀栀椀猀洀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 娀攀渀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀挀栀漀漀氀猀⸀ഀഀ The gist of the teaching is Zen, but not teaching—but you can say “teaching” in ਍椀琀猀 眀椀搀攀 猀攀渀猀攀⸀ 䠀愀椀⸀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䈀㨀 一漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 挀漀氀搀Ⰰ 栀漀眀 挀愀渀 眀攀 挀漀渀挀攀渀琀爀愀琀攀 眀栀攀渀 眀攀✀爀攀ഀഀ chilled in the morning?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Chilled? Oh—
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student B: How can we get our meditation back and our concentration through the ਍琀攀渀猀攀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 戀攀椀渀最 挀漀氀搀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 嬀䰀愀甀最栀椀渀最⸀崀 䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 昀攀攀氀 嬀氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀崀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀攀瘀攀爀琀栀攀氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 猀愀礀Ⰰഀഀ “Sickness or cold will not kill you, but wrong practice will kill you.” ਍嬀䰀愀甀最栀琀攀爀⸀崀 䔀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 椀琀 椀猀 挀漀氀搀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 搀漀 琀栀愀琀⸀ 夀漀甀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀 挀栀愀渀挀攀ഀഀ or occasion to realize the truth. The cold weather or some difficulty in your ਍瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 眀椀氀氀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 猀漀洀攀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 愀琀琀愀椀渀 攀渀氀椀最栀琀攀渀洀攀渀琀 漀爀 琀漀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 爀攀愀氀ഀഀ practice. When it is cold, you should practice because it is a good chance to ਍瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 爀愀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 眀愀礀 漀昀 爀攀愀氀椀稀椀渀最 漀甀爀 琀爀甀攀ഀഀ nature.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ We have various desires. But, by taking a negative attitude towards your ਍搀攀猀椀爀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 礀漀甀爀 琀爀甀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀ഀഀ attitude towards your desires. It does not mean to annihilate your desires, but ਍戀礀 猀琀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 椀琀᐀琠漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀猀椀爀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍吀栀愀琀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀猀 椀渀 琀爀甀攀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀爀攀 椀琀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 漀爀ഀഀ human nature itself, or buddha-nature itself. So, if it is cold, you shouldn't ਍眀攀愀爀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 猀椀琀 礀漀甀 眀攀愀爀 琀漀漀 眀愀爀洀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀ഀഀ that cold, so it's much better not to wear too much clothing.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Some other questions?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student C: Around here it's very easy not to get too attached to food and sit ਍愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀攀渀✀猀 椀琀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 攀愀琀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀ഀഀ your mind just isn't going in that direction. But at home, if you are in the ਍欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 愀 氀漀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 氀椀昀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 搀漀 礀漀甀 搀漀 椀昀ഀഀ you have this problem:  Since I've been sitting, all my senses have gotten ਍猀栀愀爀瀀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀漀漀搀 琀愀猀琀攀猀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 渀漀眀⸀ 䤀昀 䤀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 攀愀琀 琀栀愀琀ഀഀ ordinarily I wouldn't even care about—that simple thing tastes so marvelous ਍渀漀眀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀洀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 洀漀爀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 嬀氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀崀⸀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 夀攀愀栀 嬀氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀崀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䌀㨀 倀爀攀琀琀礀 猀漀漀渀 䤀✀洀 猀椀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀愀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 攀愀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀ഀഀ eating, you know? Well what do you do?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Ohhh. [Laughter.] You soon will realize your nature by negative practice. ਍䘀漀爀 愀氀氀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 椀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀⸀ 圀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 瀀椀挀欀 愀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀ഀഀ attitude only. Positive and negative—both attitudes are necessary, but the ਍渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 漀渀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 琀爀甀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䐀㨀 䤀✀洀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 一攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 椀猀 琀漀 攀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 昀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 琀漀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 甀渀搀攀爀 猀漀洀攀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀ഀഀ circumstances, and to refrain from some behaviors—various activities, like ਍猀攀砀甀愀氀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀⸀ ꀀ伀爀Ⰰ 愀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 搀攀猀椀爀攀猀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀 嬀㄀ഀഀ word unclear] [laughs] which something aroused. We have to think more on this ਍瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀⸀ 䠀愀椀⸀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䔀㨀 夀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 洀攀愀渀 ᰀ猠甀瀀瀀爀攀猀猀ᴀ†搀攀猀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 搀漀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 戀礀 ᰀ琠栀椀渀欀椀渀最 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀ᴀഠഀ about them?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Yeah.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student E: You don't mean “feel guilty about it,” do you, Sensei, or—[?] ਍嬀䰀愀甀最栀猀Ⰰ 氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀⸀崀 伀爀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 戀愀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 搀漀 礀漀甀ഀഀ mean just not to do it?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: If you feel guilty about it, it will help you [laughs, laughter]. “Don't ਍昀攀攀氀 最甀椀氀琀礀⸀ᴀ†䤀昀 䤀 猀愀礀Ⰰ ᰀ䐠漀渀✀琀 昀攀攀氀 最甀椀氀琀礀Ⰰᴀ†椀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 䤀✀洀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀Ⰰ 洀愀欀椀渀最ഀഀ some excuse for something. That is not a matter of discussion. It is rather a matter ਍漀昀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 漀爀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀⸀ 夀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 戀氀椀渀搀 椀渀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 搀漀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀ഀഀ it is a fundamental instinct. You must open your eyes to those activities. You ਍猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 椀最渀漀爀攀 椀琀⸀ 䄀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀猀⸀ഀഀ And, as it is difficult to have negative attitudes, we should try to be ਍渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䘀㨀 吀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 ᰀ渠攀最愀琀椀瘀攀ᴀ†氀攀愀瘀攀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 戀愀搀 琀愀猀琀攀 椀渀 洀礀 洀漀甀琀栀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀ഀഀ bad associations with me, and I think it does with a lot of people.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Mm-hmm.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student F: I don't really quite understand what you mean when you say ਍ᰀ渠攀最愀琀椀瘀攀⸀ᴀ†㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 䤀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 ᰀ渠攀最愀琀椀瘀攀ᴀ†挀爀攀愀琀攀猀 戀愀搀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀Ⰰഀഀ laughter]. It is not a matter of you like it or not—liking  the teaching or ਍渀漀琀⸀ 䈀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 洀攀愀渀 椀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 礀漀甀 氀椀欀攀 漀甀爀ഀഀ teaching or not. It is necessary for you to open your mind to your true nature. ਍夀漀甀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 椀最渀漀爀攀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀ഀഀ understand our true nature. What will happen if you die? That is the most ਍渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀⸀ 䈀甀琀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 礀漀甀 氀椀欀攀 椀琀 漀爀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 搀椀攀 猀漀洀攀搀愀礀ഀഀ [laughs]. Just remember what I said, and open your eyes, be more and more ਍挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 漀爀 洀漀爀攀 愀氀攀爀琀⸀ 䄀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 眀椀琀栀 ᐀†嬀匀攀渀琀攀渀挀攀 渀漀琀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀⸀ 䜀愀瀀 椀渀ഀഀ tape of unknown interval.]
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ — feel your desires more, and you will attain freedom from various desires, and ਍礀漀甀 挀愀渀 挀栀愀渀最攀 漀渀攀 搀攀猀椀爀攀 琀漀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀 愀 戀氀椀渀搀 洀愀渀 挀愀渀 栀攀愀爀 戀攀琀琀攀爀ഀഀ than the usual person.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student F: What you're saying is that you should put the snake in the small ਍挀愀渀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 唀栀ⴀ栀甀栀⸀ 倀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀渀愀欀攀 椀渀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 嬀氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀崀᐀丠愀最愀爀樀甀渀愀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ ꀀᰀ䠠漀眀 眀椀氀氀 礀漀甀ഀഀ put a snake straight in?” He asked someone, “How can you make a snake ਍猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀㼀ᴀ†嬀䰀愀甀最栀猀⸀崀 䄀猀 渀漀 漀渀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀渀猀眀攀爀Ⰰ 栀攀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ ᰀ倠甀琀 椀琀 椀渀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀ഀഀ bamboo or a pipe” [laughs]. That is a way to make a snake straight, and the snake ਍眀椀氀氀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 椀猀 栀椀猀 渀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ 䤀昀 栀攀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 嬀瀀爀攀猀甀洀愀戀氀礀 洀愀欀椀渀最 愀 眀愀瘀椀渀最ഀഀ gesture],  he doesn't know his own nature.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Negative and positive is very important, like a rope. If you twist rope in two, ਍氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 嬀最攀猀琀甀爀攀猀崀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 愀渀搀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀⸀ 圀椀琀栀 樀甀猀琀 漀渀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 眀攀ഀഀ cannot make a rope, we say.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student G: Sensei, didn't Buddha do that? Didn't he get down to one grain of ਍爀椀挀攀 愀 搀愀礀㼀 䐀椀搀渀✀琀 栀攀 搀攀渀礀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 愀 眀栀漀氀攀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀栀攀渀 栀攀 琀愀氀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀ഀഀ the middle way?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: That was not his practice. The difference between asceticism and Buddha's ਍眀愀礀 眀愀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 愀猀挀攀琀椀挀椀猀洀᐀氠椀洀椀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 昀漀漀搀 漀爀 猀氀攀攀瀀 琀漀 愀琀琀愀椀渀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 漀爀ഀഀ to be born in some heaven—they had some purpose. They practiced it for some ਍瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀ 䈀甀琀 䈀甀搀搀栀愀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀爀甀琀栀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 椀琀猀攀氀昀 椀猀ഀഀ the goal. This is very, I think—
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student H: Do you think fasting is good practice?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Good practice for ਍眀栀愀琀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䠀㨀 䘀漀爀 洀愀猀琀攀爀椀渀最ഀഀ desire or thinking negatively about desire, whatever is troubling the spirit?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Oh.  There will be no need to fast for many days, for instance. That is a ਍欀椀渀搀 漀昀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 漀甀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀ 䔀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 礀漀甀 搀漀 渀漀琀 昀愀猀琀Ⰰഀഀ you can practice in the most usual way.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ This is a very important point. We have to think more about this point. I think ਍礀漀甀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 搀漀甀戀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 眀栀礀 䤀 琀愀氀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 漀爀ഀഀ positive attitude towards our desires. But I myself have no answer to it.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student I: Is there a difference between negative desires and positive desires? ਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 一漀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 漀渀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䤀㨀 䤀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 欀椀氀氀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 愀渀搀 琀漀 氀漀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 夀攀愀栀⸀ 吀眀漀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀爀 琀眀漀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 眀攀 琀愀欀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䤀㨀 䐀漀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 猀甀瀀瀀爀攀猀猀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀猀攀 搀攀猀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 琀漀 氀漀瘀攀ഀഀ and to hate?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Yeah, sometimes it is necessary. And it is necessary, and you are doing it ਍嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䨀㨀 圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 猀椀渀挀攀爀椀琀礀Ⰰ 匀攀渀猀攀椀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 匀椀渀挀攀爀椀琀礀㼀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䨀㨀 吀栀愀琀✀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 琀栀椀渀最⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 猀甀瀀瀀爀攀猀猀 椀琀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 搀漀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 吀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀椀渀挀攀爀椀琀礀Ⰰ 搀漀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䨀㨀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀⸀ 䤀 最攀琀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 猀椀渀挀攀爀椀琀礀 愀渀搀 挀漀洀瀀愀猀猀椀漀渀⸀ഀഀ
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Sincerity or compassion—if I say “sincerity” or “compassion,”  you may ਍琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 猀漀⸀ 䨀甀猀琀ഀഀ positive sincerity or positive compassion is not true compassion. When you want ਍琀漀 猀愀礀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀᐀猠漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀琀攀 椀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 猀椀渀挀攀爀攀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀ഀഀ what it will mean—what does it mean by some statement, you will be very ਍挀愀爀攀昀甀氀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀⸀ 䔀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 攀愀琀 洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 礀漀甀ഀഀ will hesitate to eat as much as you want. Without this kind of attitude, you ਍挀愀渀渀漀琀 氀椀瘀攀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍吀栀攀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 漀渀攀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 椀渀 椀琀猀 琀爀甀攀 猀攀渀猀攀⸀ 圀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀漀渀最攀爀ഀഀ person? A man who beats you or a man who is being beaten?
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Which is stronger?  It is easy to beat someone, but it is not so easy to be ਍戀攀愀琀攀渀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀渀礀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀礀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀琀 椀渀 戀攀椀渀最 戀攀愀琀攀渀 戀礀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀⸀ഀഀ Hai.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student K: Is it ever all right to be positive? I mean, is it ever all right to ਍猀愀礀 礀攀猀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀猀椀爀攀猀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍䤀猀 椀琀 愀氀氀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 挀攀愀猀攀㼀 伀爀᐀䤠 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 一漀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 猀漀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀Ⰰ 氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀崀⸀ 䄀挀琀甀愀氀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 眀椀氀氀 琀攀氀氀 礀漀甀⸀ഀഀ But if we say “religion,” you think religion will give you some advantage in ਍琀愀欀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 瀀氀攀愀猀甀爀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀渀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 攀砀挀甀猀攀 椀渀 搀漀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀ഀഀ always. That is not true.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student K: It seems to me, though, that it is nothing wrong with enjoying ਍攀愀琀椀渀最 漀爀 猀攀砀 漀爀 猀氀攀攀瀀椀渀最᐀樠甀猀琀 椀渀 戀攀椀渀最 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀᐀†㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 䴀洀ⴀ栀洀洀⸀ 夀攀愀栀⸀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䬀㨀 愀渀搀 椀渀 眀愀渀琀椀渀最 椀琀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 椀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀愀琀ഀഀ you can just really enjoy eating as long as the food is in front of you, and ਍琀栀攀渀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀✀猀 最漀渀攀᐀渠漀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 䴀洀ⴀ栀洀洀⸀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀琀甀搀攀渀琀 䬀㨀 䄀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 椀猀 椀琀 愀氀氀 爀椀最栀琀 琀漀 猀愀礀 礀攀猀 愀渀搀 攀愀琀㼀 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍匀刀㨀 䴀洀ⴀ栀洀洀⸀ 夀攀愀栀⸀ 夀攀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 椀猀 猀漀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 愀氀氀 爀椀最栀琀⸀ 一漀琀栀椀渀最 眀爀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 椀琀⸀ 䈀甀琀ഀഀ it is not always so [laughs, laughter].
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Student L: This teaching sounds as if we're supposed to fight with ourselves, ਍昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 眀攀✀爀攀 戀漀爀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 眀攀 搀椀攀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀ഀഀ where I wouldn't be continually fighting with myself.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ SR: Fighting. [Laughs.] That is your understanding of your life, you know. That ਍椀猀 渀漀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最᐀爠愀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 搀攀猀椀爀攀猀᐀栠漀眀 琀漀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀ഀഀ your desires. The different understandings of one's practice. If you say you ਍愀爀攀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀猀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 猀漀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 搀攀渀礀 琀栀攀ഀഀ statement, “I am fighting with myself.” But that is not a perfect expression of ਍漀甀爀 眀愀礀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍伀栀 嬀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 猀攀攀猀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀崀⸀ 嬀䰀愀甀最栀猀⸀崀 䰀攀琀✀猀Ⰰ 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀Ⰰ 猀琀甀搀礀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 䤀ഀഀ am so glad that you are concerned about my talk [laughs, laughter] so much. ਍吀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 洀礀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀᐀礠漀甀爀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 愀爀攀 琀漀 猀琀甀搀礀 洀漀爀攀᐀渠漀琀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀ഀഀ of Buddhism or [laughs] buddhas or Zen.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Actually there are no rules. There are rules, but the rules are not always ਍漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀 嬀氀愀甀最栀猀崀⸀ 夀漀甀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 爀椀最栀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀ഀഀ practice is forced on you—mostly it is pure. But, if you practice by your own ਍挀栀漀椀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 搀愀渀最攀爀猀 漀昀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 眀爀漀渀最 攀氀攀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 洀漀琀椀瘀攀猀⸀ ᰀ䤠ഀഀ have to do it because someone told me. As long as I am here in this monastery, ਍䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀礀⸀ 匀漀 䤀 搀漀 椀琀⸀ᴀ†吀栀椀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 眀椀氀氀 爀攀猀甀氀琀ഀഀ in more, rather than practicing by your own choice. This is very true. If you ਍戀攀挀漀洀攀 洀漀爀攀 猀椀渀挀攀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 礀漀甀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀渀猀挀椀攀渀琀椀漀甀猀ഀഀ about your practice, you will find it very true.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ Thank you very much.
਍㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ _________________
਍匀漀甀爀挀攀㨀 䌀椀琀礀 䌀攀渀琀攀爀 琀爀愀渀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 琀爀愀渀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀礀 䈀爀椀愀渀 䘀椀欀攀猀 愀渀搀ഀഀ checked by Mel Weitsman. Entered onto disk by Jose Escobar, 1997. Transcript ਍挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀愀瀀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀搀攀 瘀攀爀戀愀琀椀洀 戀礀 䄀搀愀洀 吀椀渀欀栀愀洀 愀渀搀 䈀椀氀氀 刀攀搀椀挀愀渀ഀഀ (4/6/01). Lightly edited for readability by Wendy Pirsig and Peter Ford ਍⠀㄀　⼀㈀　㈀　⤀⸀㰀戀爀㸀ഀഀ
਍㰀⼀瀀㸀ഀഀ ਍ഀഀ